5 PM. Karen Demoted to TD. Tho Forecast to be a TS Again Down the Tropical Road. Yellow Circle Near the Yucatan. My Mermaid Area...2 PM Tropical Storm Lorenzo Forms! Jerry King of the Road, Karen Questions.. So Many Questions About Karen ... Models Getting Funky.
5 PM.
Live Blogging huh?
Going to take a break.
As I said below... not much has changed.
Tropical Storm Karen was demoted.
Kind of as expected.
How much foreshadowing can the NHC do?
How many planes can be sent it to find...
...what isn't there.
Note they forecast it to be a TS again.
After it moves through the Islands.
And when it turns West towards Florida.
So will Karen reform?
Maybe.
Stay tuned.
Interesting tropical drama.
Good graphics in one tweet so using it.
Good to follow always.
Seems the planes kept looking...
...but as the song goes.
There was nothing at all.
TD not TS for now.
Karen in time out this afternoon...
...cone though the same.
And many cities in it's Wind Probs.
See cones below.
NHC UPDATE: #Karen to impact Puerto Rico as a tropical depression. TS warnings are issued. #Lorenzo expected to become the 3rd major hurricane of the 2019 Atlantic hurricane season. #Jerry to impact Bermuda as a Tropical Storm were warnings are posted. pic.twitter.com/5Mbp9892kI— Met. Eclipse (@TARCweather) September 23, 2019
4:30
I like to put things up before the 5 PM advisory.
That way it's my thoughts and perhaps.
Explains what the 5 PM is showing.
Details matter.
So does timing.
And the whole issue right now is timing.
Intensity questions persist on Karen.
Models are funny.
Consistently delivering tropical rain to SFL.
3 Players right now.
Don't forget Lorenzo out there.
Looking beautiful but not near us.
What's odd is models see different things.
Some keep Karen an entity.
Other's lose Karen than Karen comes back.
Some see something by the Yucatan.
Earthnull actually sees Karen well.
Go figure on that one.
Not easy being NHC.
They have to answer to the public.
And to their superiors.
They are the bottom line.
When models don't make much sense.
I watch the water vapor loop and MIMIC.
And wait til the next model run.
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There's Jerry center stage.
Karen pulses up and down.
Remember when Jerry did that?
Jerry did it drove everyone crazy.
They seem to be cut from the same cloth.
Near the tip of the Yucatan...
A red dot pops up.
Models don't really see much there.
And Lorenzo far away and beautiful.
I hate to tell you that you have to wait another day.
But it's true.
Karen may be a player...
...or it may be nothing at all.
Yet Karen has been a player.
And players don't like to die...
...but sometimes they play dead.
You know like playing possum...
And then they jump up and come back to life.
When the time is right.
And the shear calms down.
This song is stuck in my head
I made 2 videos.
Think on them when the 5 PM comes out.
And I'll update this evening.
Much to do here and I'm not feeling it.
Something is off...
..something is missing.
Soon we will see it.
I try to keep these to a minute.
Just some thoughts while watching the WV Loop.
4pm look at the water vapor before NHC weighs in on #Karen pic.twitter.com/4MIKHVnRYj— BobbiStorm (@BobbiStorm) September 23, 2019
Lorenzo discussion.
Not to be forgotten.
Just currently so much drama with Jerry and Karen.
#Lorenzo discussion adding to @blog https://t.co/XLVVLmtkcS pic.twitter.com/hfZBNxIn5E— BobbiStorm (@BobbiStorm) September 23, 2019
2 PM
Tropical Update... Tropical Outlook.
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This yellow circle has popped up.
I've been talking on it all morning.
Alluding to it last night.
Last night I posted this video.
What bothered me was....
...the tremendous amount of convection.
From the Yucatan across the Straits.
With that set up something was up...
1... something could form there.
2... It could impact the track of other storms.
#SundayNight Mimic Loop doesn’t make me feel much better. #jerry #karen #GOM moisture Straits of #Florida. #Cuba heat ridge in the South. #jerry at the crossroads. What does #Karen do? pic.twitter.com/LUeLYI0ZsG— BobbiStorm (@BobbiStorm) September 23, 2019
Then I tweeted about it this morning.
It's persisted for way more than 12 hours.
Actually since yesterday moisture has been there.
I made a playful post about a mermaid in the GOM.
Today I posted a picture in a collage.
A reminder that the mermaid may...
...want to play ball.
This is the Tweet from last night.
And the loop discussion that goes with that.
Note I said last night Karen may become an open wave.
Or a weak disturbance perhaps?
If it cannot hold onto TS status.
@crankywxguy think I found my words. What I was trying to see. Actually 3 parallels. NW system add in big low past Greenland. Interesting water vapor loop #Karen goes N? Have to wait til tomorrow til I buy that (sound up...) pic.twitter.com/BSdZnUjynX— BobbiStorm (@BobbiStorm) September 23, 2019
Breaking it up into parts below.
Something is there, round and anchored.
High to the North.
Kind of trapped a bit currently.
Over and near hot water.
And though the NHC shows formation to the West.
The moisture flow from Jerry is feeding into it.
Much the way Imelda was fed by Humberto..
Rain predictions have been high in that region.
For the next 5 days so you can't blame that on Karen.
So what's causing?
Looking at the satellite image below.
Moisture streaming off of Jerry....
High to the North.
This area looks better than Karen.
Yes, I said that.
And I'll update later.
But the NHC just put a yellow dot.
On my area I've been talking about.
But my issue here is this.
Yes it could form.
But what if Karen falls apart?
Convection wandering around....
...possibly off track from the TS Cone?
And Jerry hits a wall of high pressure.
What pulls a system towards Florida?
Vs saying being trapped and looping.
Waiting for the ridge to break?
The only thing that would pull it is...
...if there was low pressure to the West.
And now we see what that might be.
Stay tuned, looking at models at 4 ish.
Lorenzo is finally official!
Note they show say they are being conservative.
I'd give it easy chances of being a Major out at sea.
Showing Jerry first as ...
...there have been questions on it's track.
Long term.
Note they don't slow it down at the end.
Odd... But they bend it a bit South of East.
Will see what they do at 5 pm.
Imagine they like everyone else....
...is waiting on the next model runs.
More on that down deep in the blog.
This is just a 11 AM update.
And Karen remains a question mark.
You can find Karen below....
...down below Jerry.
2 red dots flaring up.
Lorenzo solid red dot far out there.
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Here's our satellite loop for the day.
Monday Morning.
Jerry bright and colorful East of Florida.
Waiting for his ticket to ride ...out to sea.
But does Jerry have a surprise for us?
Some models say it's possible.
I mean goes out to sea and then...
....oh what's that all about.
Hmnnn...Remember Karen is down below.
And there's a high pressure ridge building in.
But does Jerry have a surprise for us?
Some models say it's possible.
I mean goes out to sea and then...
....oh what's that all about.
Hmnnn...Remember Karen is down below.
And there's a high pressure ridge building in.
Karen down there somewhere below.
Bits of red and gold.
Sort of like the beginning of Fall.
That officially began today.
Turn your AC down to 69...
...then you'll feel it!!
And off in the East Atlantic is Lorenzo
Models as always from Mike's Spaghetti Models.
Mike's King of the Tropical Road at 9:19 AM.
Listening to him as soon as I'm done here.
I try not to listen or read too much of others...
....before I write in the morning so I stay fresh.
Well... I read the NHC discussion.
So remember Karen is the big question.
Discussion this morning basically is on whether or not Karen survives as a Tropical Storm or gets downgraded to a Tropical Depression. The NHC has put the TD word into their foreshadowing early morning discussion and they are opening the door for that action if Karen doesn't step up to the plate and do something fast to change that eventuality. And, Karen is a big question mark that hangs over the East Coast as many models (as well as the NHC discussion) hold out the possibility that once past PR it may strengthen again; well unless it dies completely. So, today is a day to see what Karen really has and what she does not have... that being a real center with Tropical Storm force winds. Easy money is on a downgrade soon but a possible upgrade in the near future, however I wouldn't bet money on Karen just yet.
As for Jerry as much as it looks like he wants to bust North he is held down by a huge high pressure, yet he pushes against the tide nonstop and you can see this in his current satellite imagery but Jerry has generally held onto to mediocre but there status and stubbornly flares up just when needed to keep the attention of the NHC. It should go out to sea eventually.
Jerry is kind of like King of the Road here ...
....the only really clear cut winner.
Visible easily.
Another view...
Note explosion of convection in Karen.
There is some connection there still.
At times it's connected to Jerry.
At times Karen looks like she leaving Jerry.
So much drama.
Karen may not want to let Jerry go?
Who knows.
Foreshadowing.
Waiting for more models to vote.
Is Jerry looping back?
Keep that in mind when you hear
"out to sea....."
Out to sea but for how long?
Fall Storms often loop.
We are officially into Fall.
Well Mike on Spaghetti Models.
Calls him Juicy Jerry.
Maybe Karen likes that...or not.
Note it's flaring up on the NE side today.
Hmmmn drama..
Speaking of Mike...
..wore his shirt yesterday.
Went to the Flea Market.
Before it becomes the State Fair in October.
Back to the tropical discussion below.
Picture at the bottom ;)
But everyone loves Fall right? I do finally, it took a while I will admit, but yeah Fall in the Carolinas is beautiful and football is on the scene as Baseball begins to move towards it's eventual climax and trees lose their leaves one by one and we look longingly towards our first winter snow. In South Florida people longingly look for a cold front and wince knowing snowbirds will be arriving soon.
And that's the way it goes on today the official beginning of Fall, as the Autumn Equinox is today so if you want to do any Fall mischief such as eating pumpkin ice cream or having a Pumpkin Spice Frappe (too hot for lattes) today is your day. Maybe start a new diary or begin a to do list or a Vision Board for Fall. Plan out your Halloween Party and hope that no hurricane is going to come as a surprise guest. We went to the State Fair Grounds yesterday that hosts the NC State Flea Market every month of the year except October when the Fair comes to town. Lots of old toys, yard stuff on sale and Trader Joe's was sampling Pumpkin everything yesterday.
Does Karen want to play ball with Jerry?
Does Jerry want to play ball with Karen.
And what about Lorenzo??
Jerry....doing what Jerry always does, just enough to stay alive.
Karen...a mystery still as to it's current condition and a question mark on the future.
Lorenzo now officially a Tropical Storm forecast for now to go out to sea gracefully.
Will Lorenzo go out to sea gracefully? Maybe.
Will Karen survive? I'd say there's a better chance down the road it's still there than not.
Will Jerry go out to sea... the NHC is sure of it. But will Jerry stay out at sea or ...
...come back for Karen?
Take the day to to what you love doing the most, if you got the time... and if not dream on it a bit when you have a moment to rest. Do not throw out the Hurricane Supplies if you live in South Florida or the Gulf of Mexico states (Alabama included) and if you live further Up North you know what to do with them... hold onto them for Winter Weather and possible Ice Storms.
Images below. I'll do a video later today and some model discussion, but still waiting to see what happens today with Karen before saying more on that. I think Karen has more of a kick than is visible on satellite imagery creating much drama down in the Islands, it's visible on Earthnull for the first time from far away so I'd vote she stays around in some form or another for a bit longer.
While not the best signature.
I can see something is there.
Yesterday I could not.
Karen needs to lift it it wants to survive.
Lift or ooze on other and reform it's center.
Karen needs to let Jerry go...
Ironically Karen and Lorenzo
Have the similar barometric pressure.
Totally different satellite signature but ti's true.
At 11 AM they lowered Lorenzo's a drop.
As it is now a Tropical Storm.
See a tail of 2 storms.
Both had 1007 MB at 5 AM.
Karen had 40 MPH in theory..
... TD13 became Lorenzo.
That was a done deal.
Gotta love the NHC for headlines.
Sounds like a new Fall Drama on ABC!
And of course Karen's ultimate track is a question.
Almost looks like a question mark doesn't it?
Know there are watches and warnings up...
..for the Islands as Karen is forecast to move over them.
While worrying on Florida remember ...
...there's more to Karen's track than that.
According to the NHC...
...for the foreseeable five days.
Lorenzo going out to sea.
Let's revisit that in 3 or 4 days.
As models this year have been infamous..
..for surprise drama.
Oh and Lorenzo expected to be a Hurricane.
I'd guess they are too low.
May be a Major.
Keep watching.
Know the new models are showing some odd things. Talk on Fujiwara by a few models but that's really out there, can Karen and Jerry leave each other alone is the question? I'll post some cute tango dance later maybe, who knows. Really....who knows, that's the main bottom line today. As always don't eat the hurricane supplies and check back here later.
Besos BobbiStorm
@bobbistorm on Twitter and Instagram.
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Ps... as the long time readers of this blog know.. I love Nat King Cole.. no one like him. My Grandma Mary played this song on her piano all the time, grew up with it and love it.
Love the pictures here, it's true every leaf becomes a flower in Fall.
And North Carolina Fall is beautiful........ though I may be in Maryland for part of it.
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